My bad for completely forgetting to reply, sorry about that. This new community update is impressively terrible with images shown in full size, so I minimised my forum/community activity because it’s just annoying to use 😑

okazakee I think we’re talking about two different things. I meant a future flagship built with GrapheneOS requirements in mind from the start, not trying to get it running on existing Nothing phones. Basically what Motorola is already working on.

I actually skipped the whole “buy a normal Nothing phone and swap the OS” idea on purpose, mostly because of the business side. Nothing probably earns money from Nothing OS through services, integrations, potentially ads and whatever else they have planned. Maybe that’s even part of why they can keep their hardware prices competitive, who knows. That’s exactly why I was thinking of a dedicated device sold at a higher price, to make up for the revenue they’d potentially lose without Nothing OS.

Also, Tensor isn’t some hard requirement for GrapheneOS. Pixels just happen to be the only officially supported devices right now. The Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 already supports MTE, and the Motorola partnership is proof that this isn’t something exclusive to Google hardware.

Of course Nothing would have to work on the hardware and firmware side, that’s literally why I suggested a dedicated device in the first place.

We’re talking about the exact same thing though. I never even thought about the correlation of existing non Pixel devices (so, including all Nothing phones) with GrapheneOS. That’s clearly not possible, and that’s what I meant and said initially by linking GrapheneOS’s page of supported devices where nothing (eh) but Pixels is listed. So right now, Tensor is really a hard requirement as no other chip is able to meet its requirements, well, other than one EXPENSIVE flagship and one EVEN MORE expensive upcoming Snapdragon (the S8EG6).

The point is that Nothing is a very small player, far smaller than Lenovo (Motorola), so they can’t simply buy a sheer volume of chips and negotiate discounts on them like larger names can. Qualcomm most definitely won’t sell their chip for the same cost to someone willing to buy 10 million of them compared to someone willing to buy 1,000 of them, the latter is going to be more expensive. That applies to all other parts, and, as I said earlier, actually I’ll quote you to reply to it:

okazakee As for the pricing, where are you getting those numbers from? We have no idea what a partnership like this would cost Nothing, and I don’t see how we can already assume nobody would buy it either.

The expected pricing comes directly from both sides of that partnership, and now it’s official (matching the exact price that was “rumoured”, this announcement is what actually reminded me about this thread and that I forgot to reply to your comment):

The brand new Pixel 10 Pro is currently at EXACTLY ⅓ of its price (the Pixel 11 series cannot run GrapheneOS, not yet at least, because MTE is off, and even then, it is still far less expensive than this thing’s STARTING price).

okazakee And I don’t really see what Nothing users liking blur effects and fancy interfaces has to do with any of this. Those people can keep using Nothing OS as usual, nobody is suggesting taking that away from them.

I have no idea if the numbers would work out for Nothing, but that’s something they’d have to figure out. I just think their brand and audience make this worth of consideration.

Poor aesthetic choices have nothing at all to do with it, true, but they do limit the potential prospective buyers/audience. Way too many people around here in this community shed tears on a daily basis about how it’s poor of Nothing to not have Liquid Glass, blur everywhere, transparency everywhere, Dynamic Island, iOS this, iOS that… Those people 100% surely wouldn’t even bother thinking about a Nothing phone that would be AT LEAST 20% more expensive than the Motorola Signature 27, so a $1900ish STARTING price (because of what I said earlier, smaller players are simply not able to negotiate lower part prices to be competitive with larger names and that’s applicable to all segments, which is why we regularly see crying around here about how it’s crazy that Nothing Phone (X)zy is too expensive when a random Xiaomi with similar specs can be bought for 60% of Nothing’s price, etc., etc.).

So Nothing would have to invest A LOT to manufacture those GrapheneOS-capable phones, only to sell… like 5 of them? If even that much. I certainly wouldn’t buy it when I can get a sexy new indigo/blue Pixel 10 for 520€ (which, at ¼ of the price, certainly wouldn’t be four times slower or four times less responsive, if anything it would still have superior camera performance as all Pixels already do) 🤷🏻

Apologies for this massive wall of text.