Nothing, please do not create your own system apps

Nothing, bitte erstellen Sie keine eigenen System -Apps

hexagonal707x · 2024-01-07T12:14:26+00:00

Google-Apps reichen aus. Warum möchten Sie eine andere Rechner-App oder Galerie-App? Das ist das Problem, das dadurch entsteht. Jetzt müssen Unternehmen wie Nothing, Oneplus und Samsung ihre eigenen Versionen derselben App erstellen, die Sie bereits von Google erhalten haben. Der Unterschied besteht darin, dass Google seine App aktualisiert und Unternehmen wie Nothing und OnePlus nach einiger Zeit kein Update durchführen. Nach einigen Betriebssystem-Upgrades verfügt Ihr Telefon über eine ältere Version der App, während die neueren Telefonmodelle dieser Unternehmen über die neueste Version der App verfügen. Und sie machen sich nicht einmal die Mühe, ihre eigenen System-Apps zu aktualisieren. Dann werden sich die Leute auch darüber beschweren, warum diese Unternehmen ihre System-Apps für ältere Telefone nicht aktualisieren. Deshalb ist es besser, bei Google Apps zu bleiben. Deshalb ist Standard-Android besser. Ich habe ein Nothing Telefon 2. Vorheriger Pixelbesitzer. Mein Vater hat OnePlus. Ich kann es dir jetzt sagen. Es ist keine gute Idee, Unternehmen zu sagen, sie sollen ihre eigenen Versionen von System-Apps erstellen. Sie werden faul sein und es nie für ältere Telefone aktualisieren, während Google-Apps auf jedem Telefon immer auf dem neuesten Stand sind. OnePlus war eine Scheiße, wenn es um sein Oxygen-Betriebssystem ging. Das Gleiche gilt für Samsung. Doppelte Apps. Google Fotos und Galerie-App, Dateien von Google und Dateimanager von OnePlus. Ratet mal, was OnePlus diese Apps nie aktualisiert. Ich denke, Carl Pei kennt die Situation mit doppelten Apps bereits. Ich glaube nicht, dass er eine Nichts-Galerie-App oder eine Taschenrechner-App machen wird. Und das ist gut so. Was auch immer Nothing gerade tut, ist buchstäblich perfekt. Perfekte Menge ihrer Apps, die nicht zu doppelten Apps führt. Ich hoffe, dass Nothing so bleibt. Die Benutzeroberfläche ist sauber und einfach. Wenn Sie der gesamten Designphilosophie verpflichtet sind. Sie müssen dafür sorgen, dass es jedes Telefon erreicht, das Sie jemals erstellt haben. Zum Beispiel Nothing-Themen-Apps, genau wie Google-Apps auch auf alten Telefonen aktualisiert werden. Ansonsten bleiben Sie bei dem, was Sie gerade tun. Und die Leute fragen nicht mehr nach einer Galerie-App. Es werden doppelte Apps gestartet. Wenn Sie eine Galerie-App so sehr wünschen, sollte sie zumindest über Google Fotos und iCloud-Integration verfügen. Ohne sie ist es so sinnlos. Machen Sie dieses Unternehmen nicht zu Samsung und OnePlus mit ihrer Schiffsladung an doppelten Apps. Danke schön.

oliverwhite2711

CMF1_hacker honestly I’d be more than willing to make some apps for nothing. I would be honoured actually. Although I’m 15 I’m such a great developer it’s unreal.

FUN FACT: a lot of apps are actually just HTML

GabrieliusMarkauskas

hexagonal707x I think this is an old post kuz they’ve made a gallery a long time ago. Btw does any1 know if any of the nothing essential space features will come to nothing phone 2a???? Or at least the nothing playground widgets

themountofmint

Well, just make Google apps in Nothing style is pretty enough for real. As i mentioned somewhere in a community, there’s a bit of inconsistency in colours tbh. So I’d wish this to be fixed in a new OS version. Because having all-brown system colour but your gallery is just black… or no N-type/N-dot font in Google apps… like a few touches should be done.

Anonymous931

themountofmint just make Google apps in Nothing style

Only Google can do that. No one else can modify Gmail, Photos, Drive, Maps… Only Google can.

themountofmint

Anonymous931 so we can wish Nothing will talk with Google about this? Because why not.

Anonymous931

themountofmint Google won’t do that. It’s like asking Microsoft to work with them on reworking/customising their Microsoft Office suite. Proprietary apps, just like Google’s.

themountofmint

Anonymous931 So how then a few Google apps got the Samsung style on Galaxy, messages, for example. I guess never say never, and many things can come we couldn’t even expect.

Anonymous931

themountofmint Yes, but Samsung is a bit larger player than Nothing:

themountofmint

Anonymous931 yeah, that’s it. But no one can stop us from dreaming! At least that’d be great. Or let Nothing then adopt their stock apps to match colour scheme at least. Because they’re black all the time.

pollenjh

I personally think that the lack of Nothing apps won’t last for long. The Essential OS vision will probably be more do-able with native apps instead of relying on Google. But who knows really

Anonymous931

pollenjh The Essential OS vision will probably be more do-able with native apps instead of relying on Google.

I still wonder how would that ever be possible. I’ll actually quote myself:

Anonymous931 Every Android phone has those same apps. People buy Android phones to use those apps and to sync their devices and data across and between them. Even Huawei have implemented workarounds to install Google apps right from the start and people use those.

No one buys a smartphone just to look at it how nice it is and to use a random peculiar app that no one else uses and that is limited to only that single phone, like pretty much all Nothing apps are Nothing exclusive, meaning you cannot install them on Xiaomi, Samsung, Google, Vivo, Huawei, Motorola, Sony, Asus and other phones. Your phone dies or gets lost/stolen - you lose all Nothing-exclusive data because you can’t even back it up (Essential Space for example). Why would anyone want to hassle with that? Why would Nothing as a company be willing to invest billions of $ just to become a super-locked mini-Apple-like ecosystem on Android (which on its own is free as opposed to iOS) and to end up with maybe 50 loyal customers in the end?

Anonymous931 There is barely anything from Google installed by default; Maps, Calendar, Gmail, Drive, Photos, Meet, Wallet, YouTube & YouTube Music, Messages, Files by Google, Phone/Dialer…

Good luck replacing 80% of that with non-Google apps, so Nothing Maps, Nmail (I guess, so Nothing Mail), Nothing Drive (who’s going to provide all the infrastructure to host that?), NothingTube, NothingTube Music, Nothing Wallet (lol)…

And, let’s imagine that all those replacement apps were available, how would you use them on non-Nothing phone(s)? How would you access them on your tablet? What about accessing them from your PC (just to remind you, we can’t access the Essential Space from the web at all)?

Samsung has plenty of their own replacement apps to fit One UI design and they are all plain useless trash (but their browser which is superb), including their keyboard. How would Nothing with infinitely smaller budget than Samsung (and Google) make something better, more versatile and more useful? All existing Google apps (sans YouTube which is disaster), those that come with Nothing OS, are as minimal as possible - and they work exceptionally well (especially those like Keep for notes, Calendar, Wallet, Gmail with extensive filtering but without bloat…).

Aesthetics are not everything, especially not when aesthetics in Nothing-style are trying to be everything - but functionality and usability stays unachievable… Yet if you replace just a few like Clock (which is unarguably superb Google’s app), like this and like that, what’s up with the rest of them? They would stand out even more with their non-Nothing OS design style so, again, good luck trying to replace and make them better without being a trillion-$ worth company with its almost infinite budget 🤷‍♂️ How exactly would you replace YouTube with Nothing’s alternative?

pollenjh

Anonymous931 Good points for sure, but I’m not going to address them all. Although, I feel the need to clarify what I mean by “apps” since the term has definitely been watered-down. Either that or your copy-pasted points didn’t account for my definition.

Dialer is an app. Messages is an app. Instagram is definitely an app, but more importantly, it’s a social media service. I didn’t say that Nothing’s about to create a social media service or make their own file sharing platform, that’s a ridiculous conclusion and not even within their scope.

However, I did suggest that they might make their own Dialer, Messages and maybe even Contacts app. Because those are apps that could tie very well into Essential OS in 2028, mind you. Not right now. They are still constantly hiring software devs.

However, possibly more likely, these tools could become an extension of Essential OS.

With Nothing banging on about creating a unified smartphone experience that adapts to you and not the other way around, we might not even see individual apps for these communication purposes, but rather a hub for calling, messaging, emailing and adjacent stuff all in one “app”. Whatever you deem to be essential to you, essentially.

So adaptive widgets and relevant notifications depending on where you are, what time it is or what you’re currently doing. All with the help of AI since building apps is about to be our responsibility now. That’s what I think. Feel free to write something actually new for a response 😗 genuinely an interesting topic all things considered

Anonymous931

pollenjh That “replacement of everything” was an idea of some other people where I replied those quoted comments, because some of them genuinely believe how easy it is to replace all Google services like YouTube etc., replace them completely with Nothing’s alternative(s); so not just apps, but those whole services.

Then we’re getting to apps as just apps; some apps can’t work as Google won’t allow that (YouTube, YouTube Music and such), some can like Messages (minus Google’s RCS for chats unless you’re a big dog like Samsung), and Gmail (K-9 client is still GOATed though), but in the end we (well, Nothing) are just trying to re-skin/theme existing apps for the sake of changing how they look, and also remove some useful functionality.

All that takes time, money, and a lot of efforts, so if guys at Nothing want to go that route then I have nothing against that, but they also have nothing to gain at all from that because potential new buyers won’t buy a phone because it has a sexy-looking file manager app or anything like that 🤷‍♂️

Regarding Essential OS, they said they’ll stay on Android, and even if they went away from it that would definitely mean certain death because they would be fighting against this:

I can bet anything I have that 99% of people don’t buy a new phone/tablet/laptop just because of how nice those look but also for their OS and features, and with phones they want to also use them with other people, and not stay isolated in a community of a potential 0.0001% market share. Would you use Essential OS if not a single app was compatible with it - including any existing messenger and browser - but some random Nothing apps? Rhetorical question. But again, if they (Nothing) want to go that route that’s their own choice. If Microsoft failed to win that battle with pretty damn great Windows on equally damn great Lumias, then this… Yeah.

If they expand that Essential OS as a total skin of a whole current Nothing OS then I see no problem with that, along with any existing Nothing’s replacement for any existing non-Nothing app.

pollenjh

Anonymous931 Yeah, I saw Carl say that they won’t move away from Android which is just the correct choice honestly. There is zero reason to move from it. And I think choice is so important because I use Google Photos as much as I use the Nothing Gallery, both for their own reasons. It’s all about user benefit at the end of the day, and unless Nothing’s apps can genuinely differentiate themselves from Google’s in a way that I find useful, not just design, I’m sticking to Google’s apps. It’s as simple as that. They just… work as you’d expect them to.

As long as they don’t try to replace or rival with an established service for no reason (look at where G+ went for Google) and carve out their own niche and climb up that ladder to eventually, maybe, possibly reach “normal” people, they’ll be completely fine. Android is the blueprint for Essential OS, and that is their best shot at accomplishing their mission for the time being. I’m definitely not ready to let apps go just yet.

Anonymous931

pollenjh And I think choice is so important because I use Google Photos as much as I use the Nothing Gallery, both for their own reasons. It’s all about user benefit at the end of the day, and unless Nothing’s apps can genuinely differentiate themselves from Google’s in a way that I find useful, not just design, I’m sticking to Google’s apps. It’s as simple as that. They just… work as you’d expect them to.

I agree with the whole comment, but especially with this part here. Very well said, and yeah - that basically is the point of using apps.

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