Nothing product prioritisation - discussion

SoumyaNC

Are you a bot? Your replies and comments are confusing

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC I see. Trolling now, are we.

I would expect most people to test a phone before commenting or spending nearly £1000 on it? I do, with the exception of some that Chinese-only phones that I buy grey-market from HK as I don’t have access to them unless I’m in China. But, a global release like the PHONE (3), I would use before purchase.

SoumyaNC

Do you have a problem understanding English? Read the entire text carefully. I’m not concerned about Nothing as a company or its team or its profit or strategy. What matters to me is the product I purchased — and that product feels neglected and less important every time a new phone is released. Do you get it now?

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC how about you tell us about your experiences and not regurgitate genAI output?

or do you simply follow what genAI tells you, which is sad and dangerous.

JP

SoumyaNC first…you posted some “words” without reading it and understanding it… YOUR POST HAS EVERY ANSWERS TO YOUR PROBLEM… why who what when how they are not listening to a PRECIOUS coustomer of them .. who’s crying for updates because its 2 days late…

And i said what you’ve asked for .. why your phone is neglected…because any brand want to grow ..not just focus on one phone…phone 2 or whatever phone you are using is getting updates … do you need carl to come to your house and sit with you and solve your problem… world doesn’t revolve around phone 2 updates

SoumyaNC

CMF1_hacker

Boss, forget about GenAI. Check my posts for last 2 years. I myself is a victim of strange strategy of Nothing. 50000₹ Phone 2 getting less importance than 24000₹ 2a. When I am seeing company like OnePlus, Samsung caring about their high end phones rather than creating hype with low budget phones, I feel disgusted. Want any more personal experience reviews?

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC

(1) You started this with genAI. Thus, by default, I question your ability to make an argument.

(2) Newer products should receive more support than older products or else they won’t sell.

(3) NOTHING ® is a smaller company, thus I would by default expect less support than 1+, Samsung, etc… this is common sense, or? The trade-off is that they can be much LESS conservative in design (glyph lighting) as they’re niche.

(4) what’s confusing about any of this? it seems like a bog standard strategy for a company making market inroads. It’s no different than with 1+ originally back in 2013/14. (Which is why I’m here).

KamiKaze

SoumyaNC 😂

SoumyaNC

I am again saying, I am not bothered about Nothing company’s strategy. I am warning people to stay away from Nothing’s so called high end products.

SoumyaNC

CMF1_hacker

Ok. There is no question of placing my points. You will not understand. You want Nothing to give more importance to phones like Nothing 4a around 30000₹ when it will be released after few months rather than a 80000₹ Nothing Phone 3. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 What a logic. So it is clear Nothing will continue focusing on quantity rather making their flagship phone better. No problem you guys carry on. I am the owner of a marketing company in India. Perhaps you know business better than me. Carry on 👍🏼

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC I think you need to understand how a company transforms from an SME w/Series C funding to a more sustainable IPO.

NOTHING TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED received ~100MM USD Series C funding with GV in there. This was in Autumn 2023. That’s decent. The last biotech I was involved with did 100MM USD Series B funding lead by GV and a few 50MM USD rounds after.

This is where NTL needs to show strong sales and head towards a sustainable IPO. Thus, the pricepoint on the NP3 was quite high by their previous standards at £799+/80K INR.

Again, all of this common sense (even chatGPT could tell you that) and one should expect a reduction in support for legacy devices as brand survival is dependent on NP3 returns. That’s the fun of a small brand. If you don’t like that stay with Xiaomi/Smasung/1+, etc…

SoumyaNC

CMF1_hacker

It seems you have a problem with LLM models. Don’t worry. ChatGPT won’t replace human.

First of all I have never used Chinese brands other than OnePlus. Also I left Oneplus when it officially merged with Oppo ( Oxygen os to Oppos Color Os). Secondly I don’t need anyone’s suggestion which brand should I try.

Let’s talk again after few months when a new budget phone from Nothing will be released. I want to see the NP3 buyers reactions and frustrations at that time.

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC I only worry about genAI dumbing people down. As shown by the direction of this thread. (People would have been more receptive if your last post was the first post … I’ve done my job as an educator to get you to correct endpoint … hurrah).

Anyone with an NP3 and an understanding of Series A-D to IPO would understand potential lapses in legacy support when new products roll out. It’s predictable as you stated, so I find this entire thread confusing as it’s expected (what I am doing here is providing context for why that would happen). The dev budget at NTL has to be smaller than any other reasonably sized brand. One could argue that they have fewer phones to support (NP1/NP2/NP2a/NP3a/NP3apro/NP3/CMF1/CMF2pro) but that budget will go quickly. That biotech I was in burnt through USD 150MM in ~12 months with only 50 employees and no actual product costs.

The net positive of NTL is that they can more flexible in their hardware approach than an established firm. They can’t compete on price but they can compete on design/OS (NOTHING OS is indeed stellar) and when limited resources exist to deploy one can estimate where they’ll be deployed and it should be obvious that a smaller percentage will go to legacy devices than R&D for the next device.

(Providing the context is very important and this where genAI usually fails … as it has no experience to pull from and just make synopses of written text. It also should demonstrate to others how genAI output is received by the layperson/public).

SoumyaNC

CMF1_hacker

I can understand your pain. Very hard to digest blunders, mistakes.

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC I think you’re confused. I haven’t made any mistakes/blunders that I’m aware of.

Coldpaw

Nothing isn’t a “traditional” tech company - even Carl Pei once said he somewhat doesn’t even really see it as a tech company on the long run.

Being a long term Samsung user myself, their update policy also isn’t as glorious as you are making it to be. Once a new flagship hits, the previous variant is literally being kicked off the stage and only plays a backstage role. Sometimes it’s not even like that: Both Fold 3 and Fold 4, although they were Samsung’s most expensive phones at their time, got less frequent security updates than the less expensive Galaxy S counterparts. In addition not all updates are always good, for instance I much prefered One UI 6 over the new 7 on my Galaxy Fold 4.

Getting back to the Nothing Phone (2): It was the first device to get Nothing OS 2.5 (Android 14). When Nothing started beta testing OS 3.0, the phone was only included in the second testing wave, that’s true - but that was a beta test only. When the public live version of OS 3.0 got released, Nothing Phone (2) again was in the first wave of phones which got the upgrade.

There have been camera upgrades over time, needless to say there seems to be much more room for improvements when it comes to the image processing. Will they come? I sure hope so and I have some hopes for Nothing OS 4.0: They now should have released all phones for 2025, so their camera team now has more time to focus on improving the (2) and (2a) line of devices. Nothing already mentioned they are looking to bring the improvements introduced with (3a) series to the previous phones, but also said it is going to take a while.

The lack of communication regarding OS 3.1 / 3.2 for legacy devices was a typical Nothing fault, for an open communication, community centric brand their communication really is still lacking IMHO and really should be improved. Just saying “The old devices won’t be getting greater 3.x steps, but instead will be improved with OS 4.0” would have cleared and prevented confusion in the first place.

Eukaliptus

SoumyaNC This post is waste of our time.

Anonymous931

SoumyaNC You’re spot on — Nothing acts more like a hype-driven design company than a traditional tech brand. Their model is focused on keeping attention fresh, even at the cost of older high-end users. It’s bold, but risks alienating buyers who invest in their premium gear.

You mean unlike every other existing brand/OEM in the world, yeah. Oh wait, they all do the same because they’re businesses, and businesses stay afloat by generating revenue and turning a profit. No one is held at gunpoint to buy any product, you are free to buy anything you want. Also how the hell do people simultaneously call a product to be “ugly af” and talk trash about Nothing’s design team, but then they say how Nothing acts like a design company?! There is absolutely not a bit of logic there, lmao!

I don’t like Apple (the way they treat their own customers, plus other politics) and especially not iOS (but I do like iPhones hardware-wise). I also don’t patrol Apple communities 24/7, acting superior and preaching that everyone’s a fool for buying something I personally don’t like.

So how tf do some of y’all find so much energy and focus in your lives to do the same with Nothing… that’s beyond me. That level of obsession feels like a form of tech-fascism at this point after almost a month with the Phone (3) being out.

I’m really happy that you’ve chosen to be the personal accountant and financial advisor for everyone on the internet, that’s a noble goal, but seriously - don’t you have anything better to do with your time? Not just you, but everyone who acts like this. Seriously?

Edit: Even if people “waste their money” away they are still protected by the consumer protection laws (across the whole EU at least), so there is really no need for you to act like everyone’s guardian, not everyone is a little child, you know? Let people do what they want and like what they want, and if they like it so much to the point of buying it - how in the world does that affects to you go full-ChatGPT here and do a post about it? Comedy.

Anonymous931

SoumyaNC am surprised to see people defending the blunder. I shared my own opinion and thought of warning people against buying this phone with 80000 INR

I’ll quote myself again, if you don’t mind:

Anonymous931 I’m really happy that you’ve chosen to be the personal accountant and financial advisor for everyone on the internet, that’s a noble goal, but seriously - don’t you have anything better to do with your time? Not just you, but everyone who acts like this. Seriously?

Anonymous931

KamiKaze And then we’re back to what I said before:

Anonymous931 No one is held at gunpoint to buy any product, you are free to buy anything you want.

SoumyaNC In India much better phones are available with same or lesser price tag. You are not understanding.

What am I not understanding? You said it yourself how in India there is not a single person who would go and buy the Phone (3):

SoumyaNC Spending a 80000 INR , People would have always opt for Samsung, Pixel or iphones. You know that right?

So ok, we have that cleared, India is safe from the Phone (3). Why are you warning other regions of the world where the Phone (3) is in fact cheaper than other mentioned (flagship) phones?

512 GB variant of the Phone (3) is 798€ in the EU currently:

512 GB iPhone 16 Pro Max is currently, also in the EU, 1309€:

So, I am not understanding, that the iPhone 16 Pro Max, as currently 64% more expensive phone, is a much better value or what? Is it 64% better phone, like 64% faster, 64% better camera, 64% more durable, 64% better battery life…?

SoumyaNC

I am surprised to see people defending the blunder. I shared my own opinion and thought of warning people against buying this phone with 80000 INR. Looking at the specs and all, maximum price of this phone in India should be 50000 INR. Keeping a flagship price doesn’t make the flagship standard.

Maximum YouTubers and tech person around the world has shared negative reviews about this phone. My post was never regarding the Phone 3. Its about the Nothing peculiar strategy. People here suggesting me to stay away from Nothing phones if I don’t like it. Right, this will be my last Nothing above mid range phone. Even I buy , I would prefer budget phones like 3a or even CMF phones where I don’t have to regret why my phone is getting less importance.

Note : I am using Nothing Phone 2 since September 2023. I love my phone very much. But Nothing is not able to provide camera improvement or battery drain fix. Nothing absolutely don’t care about the loyal customers. They are busy making business strategies. I as a customer not bothered about what Nothing company thinking or planing.

You can delete my post for placing the truth about the company. Do whatever you want. Be ready for negative reviews only unless you change the policy.

CMF1_hacker

SoumyaNC most of us are not in the Indian market. Thus, it’s priced better and hardly a blunder.

I didn’t make a blunder as I didn’t even buy the phone.

I don’t mean to be rude but you seem to be accusing me, and many others here, of something that didn’t occur.

The NP2 is a mid-range phone, so your post is even more confusing?!?!?!?

Anonymous931

CMF1_hacker SoumyaNC most of us are not in the Indian market. Thus, it’s priced better and hardly a blunder.

Correct. And to prove this a couple of price-related screenshots:

Starting/launch price of the iPhone 16 Pro Max - 1449€

Starting/launch price of the S25 Ultra - 1349€

Starting/launch price of the Pixel 9 Pro XL - 1199€

Starting/launch price of the Phone (3) - 799€

Quick, we’re all being scammed!! We must buy basically twice more expensive phones (and those phones are most definitely not twice better) instead of the Phone (3)!

Lol.

SoumyaNC

CMF1_hacker

But 2a price was lesser than 2. But suddenly 2a started getting more importance. I remember it recieved few features before 2. Can you imagine a new Samsung A series phone getting more features update before one year old S24 Ultra???